We periodically discuss with the IT manager where we are going and where we are now. Not only whether we are doing well but also whether the customer is doing well and using IT in such a way that it adds as much value as possible. If there is also local IT support, we divide the tasks. We let the customer look into systems, documentation and give them insight into the network or servers/cloud, for example. Often we arrange the basics, add knowledge and help to make faster steps with extra hands and experience, for example in projects.